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Re: Donald Trump

Postby beglee » Thu Nov 10, 2016 5:35 pm

Muppet wrote:Looks like Democrats & Remainers only really believe in democracy when they get the result they wanted :biker: After this the Democratic Party should re-name itself :hmmm:

The Electoral College system seems antiquated and anti-democratic in reality. That's twice now in 5 elections that the winner of the popular vote has lost on electoral college math. Clinton here got 200,000+ more votes overall, and yet in the electoral college was properly trounced, Trump getting over 300.

Most states are pretty set in their ways and rarely if ever change, so the whole election comes down to a small subset of about 10 or so states that can swing either way depending on the way the wind blows.

A swing of 20,000-40,000 votes from Trump to Clinton in states like Pennsylvania & Wisconsin could have been enough to flip the result.

A vote in certain states counts as much more important than other states because of this. It isn't one person, one vote, because the value of each person's vote is determined by which state they are making it in.

The Republicans have no cause to change/ditch the electoral college system. Why would they, it keeps getting them Presidents undeservedly and lowers the control of the heavily populated liberal east/west coasts.

The Democrats probably wouldnt/couldnt change it either. They'd need a President/Senate/Congress/Supreme Court sweep (like the Reps have now) to have a chance to do it. And even then I imagine it would be hard to do, as it is so engrained in the psyche and was introduced by the hallowed founders of the State.

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Re: Donald Trump

Postby viddleodge » Thu Nov 10, 2016 5:44 pm

create your own rules and have fun

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Re: Donald Trump

Postby Muppet » Thu Nov 10, 2016 11:43 pm

beglee wrote:
Muppet wrote:Looks like Democrats & Remainers only really believe in democracy when they get the result they wanted :biker: After this the Democratic Party should re-name itself :hmmm:


The Electoral College system seems antiquated and anti-democratic in reality. That's twice now in 5 elections that the winner of the popular vote has lost on electoral college math. Clinton here got 200,000+ more votes overall, and yet in the electoral college was properly trounced, Trump getting over 300.


In theory the same could happen here in the UK.

I dislike PR cos the tail could wag the dog :mrgreen:

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Re: Donald Trump

Postby beglee » Fri Nov 11, 2016 12:05 am

Someone else did the fine grained calculations
If just 53,667 people who voted for Trump — or 0.045 percent of the 120 million people who cast a ballot nationwide — had voted instead for Hillary Clinton, she and her team would be the ones transitioning to the White House right now.

If 5,919 Trump voters did that in Michigan, 13,629 in Wisconsin, and 34,118 in Pennsylvania, Clinton would have won each of those states by the slimmest of margins (a vote or two).

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Re: Donald Trump

Postby Trampas » Fri Nov 11, 2016 7:12 am

or if Clintons supporters got out and voted she would have won

55.6% voted

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Re: Donald Trump

Postby beglee » Fri Nov 11, 2016 1:39 pm

Well the problem was Clinton didn't motivate anybody. The only motivation was "she's not Trump". When you compare that with the massive motivation/inspiration/hope generated by Obama's campaigns, there's a huge gulf. People just didnt like Clinton or feel strongly enough to vote for her. And turnout wasn't actually down from the previous election.

In 2008, Obama got 70m votes, McCain got 60m, 1.8m for 3rd party candidates. 58% turnout
In 2012, Obama got 65m votes, Romney got 61m, 2.2m for 3rd party candidates. 54.9% turnout
This time, Hillary got 60.5m, Trump got 60.1m, 6.2m votes for 3rd party candidates. 55.6% turnout

Trump matched Mccain & Romney roughly for votes. Hillary lost Obama voters to 3rd parties. And the blame doesnt lie with 3rd party candidates for running, the blame lies with the Clinton campaign for not appealing to those 6m voters, and maybe with the Democratic party for picking her as candidate over the more motivational Sanders.

6 million votes cast because people didn't like either option. I wonder how many Johnson voters (4m votes) are now cursing themselves for being landed with Trump as President though

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Re: Donald Trump

Postby Schlocky » Sat Nov 12, 2016 12:15 am

Democrats complaining and not accepting the result.
Now that's democratic.

Media were relentless with trump being a misogynist.
Meanwhile Clinton's biggest contributor were those evil misogynistic pig Saudi Arabians.

Lol

Loving the result :lol:

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Re: Donald Trump

Postby Muppet » Sat Nov 12, 2016 11:31 pm

Schlocky wrote:Democrats complaining and not accepting the result.
Now that's democratic.

Media were relentless with trump being a misogynist.
Meanwhile Clinton's biggest contributor were those evil misogynistic pig Saudi Arabians.

Lol

Loving the result :lol:


Even though a few political commentators tried to relay how unpopular Clinton was to us over here we couldn't have realised how unpopular. :hmmm:

I'm still struggling with the thought of Trump as President :WTF:

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Re: Donald Trump

Postby AVIT75 » Mon Nov 14, 2016 11:30 pm

i think hes fking brill, watched loads of his rallies, played the media beautifully, they only broadcast the bits they can twist, think he will be awesome....am i catering for the uneducated followers of trump talk :lol:

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Re: Donald Trump

Postby AVIT75 » Mon Nov 14, 2016 11:33 pm

should add i made a few hundred quid backing him :titter:

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Re: Donald Trump

Postby Muppet » Mon Nov 14, 2016 11:46 pm

AVIT75 wrote:i think hes fking brill, watched loads of his rallies, played the media beautifully, they only broadcast the bits they can twist, think he will be awesome....am i catering for the uneducated followers of trump talk :lol:


Awesome isn't a word I'd use to describe this coont though http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2016-37971742

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Re: Donald Trump

Postby AVIT75 » Tue Nov 15, 2016 8:54 pm

ok well they want to make him sound anti jew? this guy(jew) seems to think hes great

wheres the youtube embed gone :lol: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMViDn_XKOk

better him working for trump than this coont pulling dlintons strings surely> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8Ux5b6YM9A

project veritas, wikileaks etc that get dismissed by many seem a hell of a lot more truthful than the media..clinton a public opinion and a private one...i quite like that(i dont)

am i being thick? (im not)

love that 2 opinions thing :lol: (i really do)

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Re: Donald Trump

Postby beglee » Tue Nov 15, 2016 10:25 pm

The US had 8 years of an idiot with Bush, that left them with a devastated economy, huge unemployment and several unnecessary wars

Just 4 years under a lunatic like Trump could do even more damage than that

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Re: Donald Trump

Postby AVIT75 » Tue Nov 15, 2016 10:37 pm

give him 20 years, the first person ive seen with actual interest for the people, he will reveal his true form soon, a business man who has no need for the cash(working for free i believe) not got the usual donors and self funded for the most part, getting shit and lies about about all his "crazy" shit...ive watched a lot of interviews on american stations and its amazing how many times people get cut off when they dont follow the agenda, they are gonna make it hard for him but i guess trump will win in the long haul, brirain needs a trump, not the media potrayed trump which obviously noone wants but the one who has been edited, corrupt politicians over here as well. loving the tolerance of the losers in us :lol:

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Re: Donald Trump

Postby Muppet » Wed Nov 16, 2016 12:33 am

beglee wrote:The US had 8 years of an idiot with Bush, that left them with a devastated economy, huge unemployment

Just 4 years under a lunatic like Trump could do even more damage than that


Depends on the sane Republican politicians who 'we' hope will keep him under control :hmmm: Its even touted that Sarah Palin could get a position in his government :shock: Apparently his chief strategist has a high opinion
of her & thats fookin scary :WTF:

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Re: Donald Trump

Postby viddleodge » Wed Nov 16, 2016 12:39 am

Muppet wrote:Apparently his chief strategist has a high opinion
of her & thats fookin scary :WTF:


just reading about him, steve bannon - the rogue jew?
like a negative of michael moore perhaps.
black sheep, money, chip on shoulder, great fashion sense :lol:

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Re: Donald Trump

Postby Muppet » Wed Nov 16, 2016 4:59 pm

AVIT75 wrote:
project veritas, wikileaks etc that get dismissed by many seem a hell of a lot more truthful than the media..clinton a public opinion and a private one...i quite like that(i dont)


Some uncomfortable truth :hmmm:

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Re: Donald Trump

Postby AVIT75 » Wed Nov 16, 2016 5:24 pm

not sure what your on about unless this helps you https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia ... _Wikipedia :dunno:

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Re: Donald Trump

Postby Muppet » Wed Nov 16, 2016 6:36 pm

AVIT75 wrote:not sure what your on about unless this helps you https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia ... _Wikipedia :dunno:


Fair point, I'm certainly no fan of that odious cunt Assange though.

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Re: Donald Trump

Postby AVIT75 » Sat Nov 19, 2016 3:58 pm

changed your mind yet :lol: good vid, seen it before

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Re: Donald Trump

Postby Muppet » Sat Nov 19, 2016 9:58 pm

AVIT75 wrote:changed your mind yet :lol: good vid, seen it before


After seeing who he's appointed have I fook :Isay:

Romney will turn him down as Sec. of State if he has any sense :biker:

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Re: Donald Trump

Postby AVIT75 » Sat Nov 19, 2016 10:28 pm

if thats whats being reported ..expect someone completely different :lol:

plus whoever is appointed will be reported as hitler :lol:

not well up on my politics just go off who i believe etc, sheriff clarke gotta be in there somewhere, trey gowdy would be good too but from what i have read he could have more influence on the outside, i really dont know how :lol: but he is ace too :agree1:

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Re: Donald Trump

Postby Muppet » Sun Nov 20, 2016 12:23 am

AVIT75 wrote:if thats whats being reported ..expect someone completely different :lol:

plus whoever is appointed will be reported as hitler :lol:


Michael Flynn his National Security Adviser might have a final solution judging by his views on Islam :hmmm:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fzh9b_vo4vs

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Re: Donald Trump

Postby Muppet » Sun Nov 20, 2016 1:56 pm

AVIT75 wrote:words it better here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OL-zxP9lxXo



Dont see yer point unless you think it justifies him labeling an entire religion a cancer :dunno:

As the clip came from Fox News who are staunch Republican supporters I wasn't surprised how enthusiastic the the interviewer was.

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Re: Donald Trump

Postby AVIT75 » Sun Nov 20, 2016 2:46 pm

2mins30 "radicalisation of the islamic religion which infact it is,it is a cancer inside of the islamic religion"
not labeling the whole religion is it.

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Re: Donald Trump

Postby Muppet » Sun Nov 20, 2016 4:22 pm

AVIT75 wrote:2mins30 "radicalisation of the islamic religion which infact it is,it is a cancer inside of the islamic religion"
not labeling the whole religion is it.


Behave, your clip is recent, mine was months before he was in the frame. :Isay:

Strange how the Republicans who are against any gun control mantra is 'Guns dont kill people, people kill people' yet cant use the same criteria about Islam = Islam doesn't kill people, people kill people.

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Re: Donald Trump

Postby AVIT75 » Sun Nov 20, 2016 6:18 pm

whilst democrats =skin colour doesnt matter but donald is orange, when you go low we go high...unless you win, love trumps hate, oh wait we didnt mean that

keep on fking over other countries and then invite them over and expect no hostility and further fking up the other countries interests..

few beers but think that made sense :lol: this is good

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPjzfGChGlE

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Re: Donald Trump

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As relevant as the price of eggs :dunno:


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